Sunday, March 21

Formspring.me: So many people claim Asada's 3Lz and 2nd 3Lo had been downgraded and marked too unreasonably for these 2 seasons coz someone wanted to ruin her jumps to lead another skater to win in the OP. Had ISU already decided to who the gold will go? True?

I do think Asada flutzes, or at least flutzed when she was attempting the Lutz jump previously, as she doesn't now. And the way she jumps (very slow entrances, and the way she wraps her leg before landing), I'd say that I think the triple loop at the end of her combination jumps was rightly downgraded. It is very difficult to keep the momentum to include a triple loop as a second jump, and her lack of speed is what really hurts Mao and makes her unable to complete the full rotations. But most ladies have trouble rotating a triple loop as a second jump.

I honestly think Mao herself decided who the gold medal at the Olympics would go to (if that's what you were referring to) by throwing away so many other aspects of her skating (choreography in the first half, transitions, a Lutz jump, a Salchow jump, a reliably-rotated flip jump, etc.) just to do the three triple Axels. Good for her for doing them, I really give her all the respect in the world for that.. but it was really no contest in my opinion.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Your post is really contradictory. First you list reasons for why Mao has issues in her jumps then you say she "threw away her chance" by leaving out some of those things that you just said. Wouldn't the more logical thing be that she had issues with certain jumps so she had to rely on the 3A strategy so not to lose points?

Tony said...

I guess you could look at it that way, but there was a much greater risk of her not receiving credit for a fully-rotated triple Axel and then she would lose even more points than what she'd lose for doing a "clean" flutz jump. So that sounds to me like like that strategy was more going for the win than anything, when I personally feel she needed to do more than she had planned if she really wanted to challenge for the gold medal. And again-- that's not only the jumps she didn't do, but also the program component marks. I guess there is no happy balance between really having to focus on and prepare for a very hard jump element when you're the only lady doing it AND include some sense of choreography, interpretation, and/or transitions at the same time. I hope that makes sense!

kutuhimoNoRan said...

Tony, Thank u for ur answer. Actually I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. (I gotta say her skating and jumps are JUST not for my taste. But I'm surprised and happy with how she's getting better recently).
My question didn't tell correctly the point to you:
Mao mania claims that ISU has changed suddenly the rule of downgrade to mess Asada's jumps at only pre-season, so there was no enough time for skaters to modify that until Olympic. It's so sly that they even admit her wrong edge and downgrade. THEN they complain "what about other skaters?", especially Yu-Na' 3T as second(downgrade) and 3F(wrong edge). Therefore they conclude Asada had no option but to jump 3A three times. A lot of people, in here Japan, believe the country "bought" ISU rules to ruin Asada. They say it's the testimony that Yu-Na's score started to be inflated, as if reach to the Galaxy, when Asada jumps multi-3As...
Sorry for bothering u with kinda ridiculous opinion. But they believe that their opinion is accepted in the world (Euro and North America).

Anonymous said...

First of all, Tony, thank you for your valuable interviews and correspondence with the former judges and ISU officials. Regarding Asada's jump issue I wouldn't like to take up Yuna as a comparison because I know it might lead to pointless dispute between both fans.
Focusing on Asada, her flutz was improving in 08 but she was not confident enough to constantly put it in the program. She will recover lutz for next couple of seasons I hope.
But I’m afraid your comment on her 3Lo and "just to do the three triple Axels" is not true. Some of the triple loops looked unreasonably downgraded in 08, especially the one she made at the SP of the 08 GPF. Though I wouldn’t believe the ISU was bought, IMO just as the reply from Sally you posted below, I suspect the judges are biased by past results and scrutinize some skaters’ suspicious jumps too severely.
She didn’t attempt any Salcow or Lutz this season but her program was full of choreography and transition (though she removed some of them after the disastrous Russia Cup, which she put in again in the Olympics). It’s so sad that many people just focus on her 3As and don’t even pay attention to her other elements, which I know is partly because of her imbalanced jump layout though.
Still I think she should focus on 3T, not 3Lo as the second jump since I think as she grows up it will become harder to put a 3Lo on the second. Regarding the gold in Vancouver, I think Yuna deserved it because she was completely ready for it in her way.

butterflyfish said...

I really appreciate your interview with Patric Ibens article.

However, I'm very dissapointed at your comment on Mao Asada here.

You seem to think she had been spending too much time practicing her triple Axel, sacrificing other elements. But it's completely untrue. I'm not a journalist nor a figure skating specialist but have more information about Mao because I live in Japan where she is a superstar.

I watched a Japanese TV program covering her training and practice for the Olympic season.

Her coach Tarasova gave her difficult programs not only technically but also artistically, which took her too much time to master. She had trouble with her jumps early this season because she had to work on elements OTHER than jumps. She lost her confidense after poorly performed grand prix series but regained it after winning National and 4 continents.

Mao performed greatly at the Olympics landing 3 triple Axels. Unfortunately she had some mistakes but even without them, she would have had no chance of winning because Yu-na Kim was significantly overscored. So working on jumps other than 3A would not have helped at all.

You say she had sacrificed choreography and transitions.
In fact, her program component scores at the Olympics were not as high as Yu-na's but higher than most other skaters. She also had better spins, spirals and steps than those of Yu-na's.

What you say about Mao doesn't make sense to me.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Kim deserved gold, but the scoring wasn't fair, IMHO. In SP they both skated well but judges placed Kim ahead by almost five points and I can't understand the reason. In LP Asada had mistakes but Kim received eighteen points of GOE! Too much for me and it makes me think that gold had been awarded before the competition started.

Aaron said...

Tony...you've opened a can of worms here!

Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Who let the bots out? Who? Who? Who?

Maobots are already salivating and feasting on your blog. Good luck, Tony!

Tony said...

Haha, well this isn't too surprising. I posted an Olympic predictions video as well as my personal reviews of the ladies short program and free skate on YouTube and a lot of the same happened.

To answer the original question, no-- I don't think the ISU changed the rules as a disadvantage to Asada, nor do I think Korea "bought" the gold medal for Kim. This original question had to do with Asada, though, and if you want my opinions on how Yu-na was scored then you can look me up on YouTube.. :-)

kutuhimoNoRan said...

Tony, thank you so much for ur answer. I just wanted to know yr thought about the original question. I've already enjoyed your videos.

I brought the can of "worms" or I may be one of them to you guys. I should've e-mailed you. So sorry. Please delete the formspring question which I posted if you want.

Anonymous said...

It happens what a certain skater's fans feel unfair doesn't necessarily look so to others because it's a subjective sport!
I think severe downgrade judges have affected not only Mao but also Rachel, Mirai and Caroline for these 2 years and widened the gap between what we saw and the scores the skaters got. There must have been some cases of downgrades where a skater's avid fans found unreasonable and also other cases where rival skaters looked to have narrowly escaped.

But what's done is done! Mao did her best and won the silver, and still has a plenty of room for growth. Just like other skaters Mao herself has never complained about judging nor made excuses but states she will improve her skills! I look forward to see new, better Mao!