Friday, October 29

Love You Patrick, But Really?

I really do like Patrick Chan, even if he seems to be getting himself into predicaments in the press on a somewhat normal basis come competition time. The latest gem is that he questioned why someone like World Champion Daisuke Takahashi (who is now somehow known particularly for his ability to do a quad more than anything else) would not include the jump in his short program. Let's flash back to the days when Chan didn't have a quad in his arsenal. Wasn't he preaching about how it shouldn't be that important?

Now, here's the big tragedy. A fall on the quad toe loop. A fall on the triple Axel. A big fall in the middle of his straight-line step that really disrupted the program. Yep, that's how Patrick's night went in the short program at Skate Canada-- three big missed elements of the seven total in the segment. Still, he managed to pull off fourth-best elements score, and the top overall components scores of the night.

Nobunari Oda of Japan leads the way with 81.37 points. While all three of his jump elements were executed beautifully, he lacked the transitions, performance quality, and interpretation of the music. He scored 38.00 points in components-- second to Chan on all of the five categories aside from Performance/Execution, where he bested the Canadian by a whole .07.

Second is another Canadian, Kevin Reynolds, with 80.09 points.. He successfully landed a quadruple Salchow/triple toe loop combination and a quadruple toe loop out of steps-- the first man to include two quads in the short program. While he's made drastic improvements to his skating in the last two seasons, his components score (34.06) reflected that he is still just a little bit off of the top skaters when it comes to the skating skills and overall presentation and content of the program.

Third place is the real travesty of the scoring, in my opinion. American Adam Rippon delivered a solid performance with the same jumping content as Oda, including both hands extended in the air on his triple Lutz jump. While he still has room to improve in his posture and speed, Adam packed the program with plenty of in-betweens and sold it well, only to finish three points below Chan in the components. This isn't the 80th ranked skater in the World who will never make the World Championships vs. the current World silver medalist-- Adam was 6th at last years Worlds. I do question whether he possibly received a lower level on one of the spins, but that still doesn't explain the components. The particular laughable one is the 7.61 for Chan in Performance/Execution vs. Rippon's 7.50.

If you take all of Chan's mistakes into account, the judges seem to have been willing to give him a score of approximately 8 more points just on the technical mark (and that's assuming he received full credit for the two jumps he fell on, AND assuming that he only would have received 0 GOE's from the judges if he landed them clean). He would also gain 3 points back that he was deducted for the three falls. The performance/execution and interpretation marks would have also most likely gone up greatly, and the three other components probably would have been higher. So what would he have scored? Probably around 87 or 88 points. Yes, he was attempting a quad toe loop. Was he 10 points better than a relatively clean Rippon? Absolutely not. Not to drag scores across competitions, but was he just ever so slightly worse than Jeremy Abbott was last week in NHK, even if Abbott received no credit on a spin? Though I don't particularly care for Jeremy's short program, does that seem right to you? Does it seem right that World Champion Takahashi would be 10 or so points behind Chan if his only mistake in the short program was a hand down on the triple Axel (based on NHK)? No, I didn't think so.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Really think that the judges are using the magic 8 ball to come up with Patrick Chan's PCS. This is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

You're sooo right Tony, couldn't agree more.

Hope tomorrow the judging will be fair, but after seeing today's...

Anonymous said...

Completely agree, when Chan's score came through I almost dropped my dinner on the floor!

Anonymous said...

yes, thank you for saying everything i wanted to say! you know, some people in Japan were saying Dai's PCS was too high at NHK compared to others. maybe. but i think that was fair enough compared to this. i was also offended when i read Chan's comment about Dai.

Anonymous said...

Because that is how Skate Canada works, don't be surprise if Pchan falls 3 more times in the FP he is going to win gold. And if doesn't fell in the FP he is going to win the gold

Anonymous said...

I completely disagree with your assesment of Oda's skate. No transitions? He had transitions in and out ov every element, including steps in AND out of his triple axel. And, as a person who saw him skating live, I must say his skating skills and speed are literally breathtaking.
His program was not perfect yet - it was, at this point, skated a bit too methodically (perhaps unsurprisingly so, as the program was fine tuned fairly late due to the birth of Nobunari's son and called off trip to Canada). However, I feel that it was reflected in his PCS, with the IN part being the onle segment where he scored lower than Rippon.

Chan's PCS are a totally different can of worms that I don't feel like opening now.

Tony said...

Don't get me wrong, I loved the crazy difficult brackets into the triple Axel, and he did include edge work out of his other jumps, as well. I saw a transition or two towards the end, but I felt like he could have added more to the first half besides just into and out of the jumps. I'm just so disappointed that he takes everything so serious now. His long program last year showed some of the personality he has, but his short program was the same old story. He's much like teammate Kozuka in that regard.

I saw Nobu when I was in Barrie way back in 2005, and I, too, was blown away by the effortless quality he has to his skating. He was landing triple Lutz/triple toe/triple loop way back when, and all three jumps had the most perfect landing positions. It's remarkable.

Anonymous said...

Skate Canada is turning into a mafia.

Tony said...

Is it bad and presumptuous of me thinking that articles will come out from the press conference, and Chan will mention that he started experiencing pain again from the motorbike accident he suffered a few months ago, hence his bad skate?

Anonymous said...

I agree that there wasn't much of his personality in his skate, but Oda's steps in between his elements and crazy entrances were the coolest thing I saw in this SP! Compositionally, I think this is his best program yet! When he puts more of himself into it, I think it will be fantastic.

But what a joke was Rippon's transition score compared to Reynolds and Preaubert? I liked both, but I'd be very offended if I were him.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he will, who knows. PChan _loves_ to talk.

But he isn't responsible for the scoring.

I wonder if he's going for a quad in his long tomorrow, or have they promised him at least a bronze if he doesn't.

Tony said...

I'm hoping that his move back to Lee Barkell (I accidentally wrote Robert Tebby in the live blog post) will do wonders, too. I think that moving to Morozov is what wiped a lot of the personality out of Nobu, and hopefully being back in Canada will start to give him confidence over time.

Anonymous said...

maybe i'm paranoid, but i thought they gave oda those scores to camouflage chan's high scores.
they wanna put him on the podium so badly to be qualified for GPF.
and i'm disappointed at oda's performance, too. i don't want him to be just a point collector.

Anonymous said...

'Chan, who has been spot-on with the quad toe in practice here, fell on the jump in his "Take Five" program, although he still picked up 7.30 points for rotating the maneuver.

"I have no idea what happened, a combination of everything," Chan said. "When I missed the quad, I started doubting myself. The quad is a big jump; it's important to me. It was lack of experience; now I understand how guys who do it [all the time] feel. It's a learning process. I have no doubt I'll do it tomorrow."

Despite the falls, the judges kept Chan in the hunt for a medal with high program component scores, ranging up to 9.25 for skating skills.

"That shows the importance of [good] practices," he said. "The judges know I can do the program. It shows they want me to do well. That's good to know; it definitely cheered me up a little bit."

Source: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101029&content_id=15909660&vkey=ice_news

What are that going to do with that 9.25-Judge No.9 Ms. Cynthia BENSON, CAN?

She's obviously professionally unfit.

Tony said...

He sounds reasonable there. I had heard about the Rippon/Chan collision but not the severity of it, so I thought during Adam's performance that his make-up was just applied somewhat poorly, rather than covering up a bruise on his face. Oops :-)

Even though it might seem likely, we don't know that it was the Canadian judge that gave Patrick the 9.25. While a bad performance shouldn't have *too* much effect on the skating skills, I thought he looked off and uninspired the whole skate. He definitely didn't shine in his basics like he usually does.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Chan does not control how the judges score him. All the judges on the panel are not from Canada.
All Chan, or any skater can do is control what they put out on the ice, as far as his comments, it's basic sports psychology for the athlete to put a positive public spin on any performance - don't think for a minute that he or his coaching team are oblivious to the work that has to be done.