Monday, December 13

Johnny vs. Bethenny Throw-Down-- one reason to still watch Skating With the Stars?



Fast forward to 5:20 to see the throw-down begin. Things start off sweet from Mr. Weir, but ten seconds later he's singing a different story.

All things that happened in the past aside, I thought Bethenny did well to keep her mouth shut this time around while Johnny instigated things during his review. Partner Ethan Burgess seems to be over all of the cattiness.

I know Bethenny has made comments that she really doesn't care what the judges think, but we've seen actual competitive skaters say they care more about making the audience happy than pleasing judges-- do those skaters get told that there's essentially no point in watching them anymore? I don't think so. It's a stupid television show that won't come back for a second season, and it isn't going to make Johnny any more famous. I wish he would have just shut his mouth this week.

By the way, if I had only skated for two months and was trying to make the best of this disaster of a show, I'd probably be a little upset with hearing how bad I was every week, too... especially when other skaters can fall and be dragged all over the place and be told how fun and great they are (see Vince in week two).

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ha. Even as someone who's a huge fan of Johnny - and USUALLY a huge fan of Johnny opening his mouth - I have to agree with you. That was so unnecessary. Usually I can enjoy good-natured to slightly catty jibes between the judges and the performers, but the Johnny/Bethenny thing has reached the point where it's uncomfortable to watch. I wish they'd both stop.

Anonymous said...

I love Johnny Weir and his balls to say what he feels regardless of primetime tv. Also love the fact they're injecting some needed drama into a show with crazy low ratings. Johnny and Dick are the ONLY reasons I watch this show. He was awesome last night and should NOT have "kept his mouth shut."

Lynn said...

I missed last night's show and am only reading about the catfight on boards/blogs, but from what I've read, I agree with you: Johnny would have been wiser just to judge Bethenny's skating and not her attitude (which, yes, is very annoying). I only watched the show in the first place to see him, but found I enjoyed the skating more than I expected. Watching people get judged makes me uncomfortable in the first place, and some of the judges' comments have made me squirm (not in a good way). Unfortunately the whole Johnny vs Bethenny thing is overshadowing some of the lovely skating that has emerged, which is why I wish Johnny would not have taken the bait.

Tony said...

Anonymous6:43- you can be honest or you can be catty and have a sense of empowerment. I don't think this is a case of "oh he's just so great for speaking his mind" like people make it out to be.

Bethenny, as much as she might have been pretending last night, kept it together and tried to avoid the drama. Now when even more comes out of this via the press or Twitter or whatever, there shouldn't be anyone crying about how rude or evil she is.

Like I said before, it was clear to me that she was already at a disadvantage when she was bashed in week two for being so stiff, yet two other celebrities that fell and got dragged around the entire time even got praise from the judges. I'd honestly probably have the same reaction week in and week out if I signed up to do something I never did before and people told me how bad I was constantly.

Anonymous said...

In fact Bethenny had some kind of skating experience when she was younger.

Tony said...

Vince did too, and he was the worst of the group! I am sure that Rebecca has had some experience, and Brandon was an accomplished roller skater.

You can't set the bar higher for Bethenny when other skaters also have skated previously.

Tony said...

I mean other *celebrities*, not skaters :-)

Anonymous said...

My comment about Bethenny's having some skating experience in her past followed your "do something I never did before" comment as if she never had. I think Sean had no previous experience. She did ballet (!). Vince's skating was horrid but at least he tried to improve.

Lynn said...

"I don't think this is a case of "oh he's just so great for speaking his mind" like people make it out to be."

I agree fully. Johnny could have chosen to speak to Bethenny in private, rather than make his comments part of his judging commentary on TV. Folks who only watch the show aren't seeing blog comments and twitters from nasty Bethenny fans; they are only seeing what's televised, and Johnny's comment may have left a bad taste in the mouths of viewers who are not his fans.

Some of Johnny's fans like to turn everything into a controversy, with Johnny portrayed as the innocent victim who rises up against evil and speaks honestly. First it was the Olympic judges (well, okay, they were kind of evil), then Evan Lysacek (not a saint, certainly, but the constant abuse against him by some posters on Johnny's FB page was embarrassing), and now someone else is being mean to poor Johnny. Part of me feels that Johnny or at least his management wants his fans to be attack dogs for him, and I won't play the part.

Tony said...

That's what I was getting at-- first, the judges. Johnny fans will cite other past skaters who said Johnny was robbed, but they don't get that the judges themselves also (should hopefully...) know plenty about the sport.

I was over trying to explain why I thought he was marked fair if not on the high side to people that only watched the Olympics for him and didn't care to watch anyone else. I always tell the story of people that came to the bar I work at and talked about how "Johnny is just never given credit and so under-rated", but those people didn't even watch any of the Olympics!

Lynn, you bring up a good point. Not everyone is into all the extra little details that the internet offers; for those people, Johnny probably really did look like a fool last night.

I also get the sense that he and his camp step aside and let the fans do all of the talking, which isn't such a bad idea. However, Bethenny also has a very big (actually much bigger) following and she's not going to lose any fans over this. On the other hand, most of the people watching the show are skating fans to begin with, so it's not really going to gain Johnny any more fans in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

My only consolation in knowing that this show will be marked as a failure was the belief that no one's career or reputation would be permanently harmed. Oh, Johnny, why do you do this to me?

Anonymous said...

I loved Bethenny when this show began and now I can't stand her. She was whining from day one about judges "hating her" when nothing of the sort was true. She was marked evenly and fairly from the beginning. Everyone in my house has been losing their interest in her every week to the point we just wanted her to fall on her ass on Monday. She is not classy after she verbally attacked him after last week's show and seeing Johnny put that whiny loser in her place last night made my sister and I scream with joy.

Anonymous said...

I was going to type out a well-thought out response but I'm lazy and decided to use a comment I found on a blog instead:

"SO proud of Johnny for telling it like it is tonight. It's time someone put that troll in her place."

hehehehe, it's so true, and I'm barely even a Weir fan before this.

Anonymous said...

I have found Bethenny to be disrespectful. Why did she agree to be on a show that was to be judged?

I am glad Johnny put her in her place. Even so, he gave her decent marks, much higher than she deserved.

Anonymous said...

The only bright spot to this show is Tanith.

Anonymous said...

Why should Johnny keep his mouth shut when the only moments of watchable tv that has had anyone talking and wanting to watch this show have come from him?

Bethany F. has been disrespectful to the judges from day one. I have no idea why you like and defend her. She does not have class she's showed disrespect to accomplished athlete judges with her attitude. I positively adored Johnny Weir for taking her to school. ABC be damned.

Anonymous said...

Tony

"Not everyone is into all the extra little details that the internet offers; for those people, Johnny probably really did look like a fool last night."

I doubt about the looking like a fool. In each show there's a fluff piece about each celeb before their performance and then the talk with Tanith. Viewers can connect the dots with Johnny's commentary.

Anonymous said...

As a long-time skating fan I was excited for this show. Also while I don't watch any RHW I was excited that Ms. Frankel seemed to be the most popular and hopefully would add some star appeal. Instead, each week I've been finding myself personally annoyed and almost defensive of her blatant disrespect of an Olympic gold medalist and a multiple time national champ and world medalist. These are respected athletes who know their craft and started out with fair, constructive criticism of her for ways to get better. From day 1 she whined about it and treated them and the show with disdain. No I don't think she's been trying. She made disparaging comments about the show to Ellen, on Twitter, and repeatedly referred to it all as "silly," and "idiotic." No I don't think it's cute or classy and if it offended me as a fan I can only imagine how the professionals on the show who have devoted their lives to the sport have taken it. It's one thing to be silly and have fun, but it's another thing to be downright disrespectful in the face of people who have dedicated themselves to this. If you won't take it seriously then you should go home.

Lynn said...

Holy crap--Bethenny in, Jonny out? WTF? Tony, do you think it's because she has so many fans that this would have happened anyway, or do you think there was some backlash at work? I can't help but think that a lot of viewers would have felt a bit sorry for her after Johnny's comments and that might have actually gotten her a few more votes . . .

Anonymous said...

Nobody felt sorry for her after Johnny's comments... only her own delusional fans. Most of the blogs and recaps I read sided with Johnny last week and agreed she had a major attitude problem and it was enjoyable to see her put in her place.

It was a disgrace to see her remain on the show. The only reason for this is the spam voting of her ridiculous fans. It has nothing to do with pity. How unfortunate.

Anonymous said...

As far as I could see it and I watched it closely, it were Mrs. Frankels fans who zeroed in on Mr. Weir. You should take a look at her time line. Yesterday she did improve and Mr. Weir said so. I think, Mr. Weir simply was honest the whole time. I would like to put you in his shoes and walk in them for a while.
What do you think of last night´s results. Surely Mrs. Frankel deserves to be in the final, doesn´t she?