Sunday, January 30

What does the USFS Do Now?

We are going to find out soon enough, but what does the USFS do? Bradley wins by six points, Dornbush second, and Miner third. However, the point difference between second and fourth is 1.40 points, and the difference between Miner and Abbott (4th) is .20. Does the USFS give the nod to Jeremy based on his history, or do they let two newcomers in Dornbush and Miner go to Tokyo with Bradley?

I wanted Miner to do so well here and mentioned he was the underdog from the beginning of the event, so I really want him to be the third representative to Worlds. Do I think it's likely? Probably not. One of the major reasons is the unpredictability/ISU scoring of Bradley, and a complete newcomer in Dornbush. The USFS might consider Abbott the strongest shot in the USA keeping three spots for 2012.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

I guess the smart thing to do is to send Abbott, but somehow that feels wrong. If there's any year where the results should just stand it should be the year after the Olympics. It almost feels like they're holding the future back if they don't let Miner go.

On the other hand, there's something to be said about the point system and how meaningless .20 is. Tough one . . .

Anonymous said...

Dornbush is still eligible for junior worlds, so maybe they'll send him there and send miner and abbott and bradley to senior nats...

Tony said...

There's no way they will send the free skate winner and silver medalist overall to Junior Worlds, even if the point totals are close between 2-4. He really deserves his spot the most of any of them IMO.

Anonymous said...

What they MIGHT do is send Jeremy Abbott to 4CC and Ross Miner to worlds, or vice versa. Or, they may send both to 4CC (scrapping someone else, maybe Dornbush or Bradley) and based on that performance, decide who will go to worlds.

Tony said...

They could send all three of Miner, Abbott, and Rippon to 4CC, but I still believe that Miner earned his spot and I REALLY hope they give it to him.

Anonymous said...

They will send the 3 top medalists as always.

Maybe we will finally find out what's been going on with Abbott this season. Health issues? Injury?

They also need to send the top 3 to 4CC for the experience.

If Abbott had been less honest, he would have been held up.

Anonymous said...

I mean, there is no way Ryan Bradley's programs will hold up under international scrutiny. However fun his programs are, there is no guarantee he will deliver and they are pretty much empty in between the jumps. Dornbush has no senior experience and Miner did pretty badly on the GP. It sucks, but they really have to do something to get Jeremy to Tokyo. With two clean programs, he has a legitimate shot at the podium.

I agree with you, Miner will probably take the fall. It sucks, but he'll have his chance to shine.

Tony said...

That's exactly what I was noting in the short program, last Anonymous. I just don't get why Ryan pulls these huge numbers at Nationals (as popular as he is) when he's going to go compete internationally and hit the mid-6's, at best, with those judges. He had the worst spins in the event, and he might have even been the slowest skater in the event. His footwork was down there near the bottom, as well, and most of his jumps didn't received anything about a 0 on GOE. I love how much fun he has with his programs and the audience, but it's like you're setting someone up for failure by making them National Champion and then only having a very slim chance of being in the top 10 at Worlds, if any.

Anonymous said...

I see what you're saying about Bradley but then I see that Florent Amodio just won Euros (an ISU comp) with a program that, IMO, is more posturing and dancing than skating.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but on the other hand, Amodio has been darn consistent with jumps all season and his spins are pretty good. One cannot say that about Bradley at this point.

Tony said...

And of course, Amodio has Morozov behind him talking about how that free skate is the best one in the history of skating. I'm serious, he did say that.

I didn't watch Europeans yet, but maybe it's some kind of redemption for the way Amodio was scored last year, especially with that wonderful short program :)

Anonymous said...

Well, they're taking a rather long time deciding the men's delegation - they had decided during the ladies press conference as to who was going to worlds. I'm guessing that there is a major debate going on due to Abbott's previous world showings/Miner's newcomer status.

Jo said...

Seriously Tony.. Morosov said Amodio's free skate was the BEST in the history of skating ??
I'd LOVE to get my hands on the drugs he's taking.
I've watched it twice and it wasn't even perfect for Amodio.
The posturing is laughable.. but then let's face it.. it's Mosorov, what do we expect? ;o)
Jo xx

p.s. One issue with sending the 'also rans' to the 4 Continents and sorting it out from there is the travelling..
It's a helluva schlep to Taipei, only to have to turn back round and go back to Tokyo 3 weeks later.
It must be a consideration.

Tony said...

Yeah, Morozov raves about the program to no end. I like the concept and Amodio sells it like the best of them, but there could be more movement and more difficult choreography that still interprets the music rather than just posing in place and doing a lot of arm movements. It's such a relatively easy fix, but what's the point when you have a European gold medal? Florent remains one of my favorite skaters, but I hope he gets someone else to do his choreography next year. Morozov can continue coaching him, but I want something really amazing.

Anonymous said...

The next generation of male skaters is very encouraging.

Nathan Chen wins skater of the week for me though. An 11-year-old should not be able to do 6 jumps (including 2 lutzes)! What's crazier to me is that he really understands music and timing. Can't wait for 2018!

His free skate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCURjcilXUY

Anonymous said...

They should send Bradley, Dornbush, and Miner.

Bradley is obvious. The US Champion should always go. He deserves his spot the most and will get it.

Dornbush really impressed. He gets spot number two.

So, it comes down to Miner/Abbott. If Abbott hadn't bombed several times recently in international competition, I'd say it be worth picking him due to the numbers being so close, but like Nagasu, he is not reliable. Not making worlds might be the kick he needs to sort out his mental issues. I'd pick Miner for the 3rd spot.

Anonymous said...

I really don't think Amodio's program is nearly as empty as Ryan Bradley's. Despite the posing and dancing (which, I agree, there is too much of), he is just outright a better, more polished skater than Bradley. Plus... the men's field in Europe isn't that strong and one of the reasons Amodio won was because no one else delivered. I think he, like everyone else, was judged fairly... he was just the one who skated two clean programs. Plus, like Tony said, Morozov has a lot of political clout and Amodio has total support from the French federation. That, coupled with consistent performances all year, makes him an easy one to reward.

I just don't see the Bradley case being synonymous at all. One of the things that frustrated me about the short program was that, yeah, it was great to see Ryan Bradley perform so well, but his score was through the roof. His second marks were extremely high relative to what he actually did. I just don't know what the USFSA expected would happen. Out of the top three, I believe Bradley is the weakest and is the one who should be kept off the World team, but obviously they can't do that. It's a weird situation. There isn't a good solution.

I wish they'd just announce it so we could stop debating, though! Argh!

Tony said...

It's announced :)

Jo said...

AND ???????

Anonymous said...

I heard Morozov said that Amodio's this season's FS is his masterpiece and even better than Takahashi's cyber swan in 2007/2008, and many judges seems to be reeled his catchphrase just like Lori Nicole did for Patrick Chan..
Anyway, Amodio was 3rd in FS at Euro with not bad performance. I think Morozov's strategy "Clean skates of SP and FS, then rising his PCS at senior field" has just taken effect.
Yap, I hope Amodio will try with more technical difficult with different choreographer in next season.
And ISU stream of this season looks like welcome back veterans, welcome new comers and quad jumpers.

Jo said...

So THAT'S his masterpiece is it. ??
Well then it's all downhill from here. I wonder if Amodio appreciates his coach saying he's peaked at 20 ??
Sometimes I wonder if Morosov engages his brain before he opens his mouth.
;o)

Anonymous said...

I LOVE when people say Abbott shouldn't have been named tot he World team because he's bombed recently. If that was bombing, what in the world do you call what Miner did on the Grand Prix this season?!? Talk about unreliable.

Boneheaded USFSA decision.