Tuesday, November 13

Just How Much has IJS Changed? 2005 vs. Now: Stephane Lambiel

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There is the box score for Stephane Lambiel, who won the free skate and the gold medal at the 2005 World Championships-- the first Worlds where the IJS was used. Let's look at his result detail and see just how much the GOE and levels have changed, and what he would score if the 2012 handbook was in play back then. I kept all of the jumps the same, and very briefly checked his spins/footwork to see which level they would likely be called in the current day rules. Adjustments are noted.

To watch the program, click on this link (embedding is disabled for both videos I found on YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKkVIdEmSqU.

Click to enlarge. Sorry it's small in the preview.

Element by element:

1A - Now has a base value of 1.1, while it was previously 0.8. Since he received a 0 GOE for the element, he has +0.3 points in 2012.

4T+3T - Base value is now 14.4, while it was previously 13.0. GOE was the same +1.00, +2.00, +3.00 as it is now on quads. Stephane would earn 15.26 points for this element, compared to the 13.86 in 2005. He earns +1.4 points in 2012.

3Lo - 5.1 base value currently, previously 5.0. He received +.57 GOE for the element. However, The GOE for triple jumps in 2005 was +1.00, +2.00, +3.00 (same as quads). Currently, it is +0.70, +1.40, +2.10 (aside from triple Axel). Converting .57 to the current system, and he earns .40 for the element, giving him a total of 5.5. He loses -0.07 points in 2012.

2A - 3.3 base value both in 2012 and in 2005. This jump also followed the +1.00, +2.00, +3.00 GOE in 2005, but now follows +0.50, +1.00, +1.50. Converting 1.00 to the current system, and he earns .50 for the element, giving him a total of 3.8. He loses -0.50 points in 2012.

CCoSp2 - Back then, there were only three levels for spins. There are now five if you count the basic (0) level that was added this season. The level 2 currently has a 2.5 base value, compared to 3.0 in 2005. I would keep him at a level 2 under the latest rules. The same +0.50, +1.00, +1.50 was used then and now. He earns 3.50 points in 2012, meaning he loses -0.50 points.

(Half-way point had the same 1.1 bonus for later jumps)

4T - After bonus, the base value is currently 11.33, compared to 9.9 in 2005. A 1.43 GOE stays consistent between seasons and he would end up with 12.76 points. He earns +1.43 points in 2012.

2Lz/3T has a current base value of 6.82 points after bonus; in 2005, it was 6.5 points. A +0.14 GOE in 2012 would convert to +0.10, giving him 6.92 points for the element. He earns +0.28 points in 2012.

The FCSSp2 (base value 2.0) in 2005 would most likely be called a FCSSp3 (base value 2.6) in 2012. With a +0.50 GOE, he would earn 3.1 points in 2012, earning +0.60 points overall on the element.

The CiSt2 in 2005 (3.1 points) would be a StSq2 (2.6 points) in 2012. He earned +0.14 GOE on the element. Overall, his score of 2.74 points in 2012 would be -0.50 points lower.

1F was worth 0.6 after bonus in 2005. Currently it is worth 0.55. He would lose -0.05 points in 2012.

FCSp1 in 2005 was worth 2.0 points in 2005. Currently, it starts at 1.9 points. +0.14 on the element gives him 2.04 points in 2012, which is -0.10 points lower.

The second step sequence in 2005, which was called a SlSt1 (2.0 points), would now be the choreographic sequence, and it starts at 2.0 points as well. The 2005 version used a +0.50, +1.00, +1.50 GOE, while the 2012 version uses a +0.70, +1.40, +2.10 sequence. After converting, 0.41 would be added to the base in 2012, for 2.41 points. +0.12 points would be earned here.

3S/2T was 6.4 points after bonus in 2005. It is now 6.05 points. It would earn +.20 points factoring the current-day GOE system, so he would earn 6.25 points in 2012. Compare that to the 6.69 in 2005, and he would lose -0.44 points in 2012.

Another new rule from a few seasons ago was to drop a fourth spin in the programs. While Lambiel earned 3.36 points for his final CCoSp1 in 2005, it would not be scored in 2012. He loses -3.36 points from his score because of this.

Overall, this is how the numbers shape up:

2005: TES- 67.32; PCS- 76.86 = TOTAL- 144.18
2012: TES- 65.93; PCS- 76.86 = TOTAL- 142.79

Even with the removal of the final spin and changes in values to almost every other element, the difference in overall score is 1.39 points less in 2012.

Now, other things to consider: who is to say that Lambiel wouldn't have adjusted levels, added a third jump to one combination, changed his spins around so that the one earning 3.36 wouldn't be lost, etc. etc? Also, GOE for some elements and the criteria to get +2 and +3 has become somewhat easier as IJS has evolved. Those are all hypotheticals, sure, but I tried to keep this as straight-forward as possible. I will score more World Championship performances in the coming weeks if this gains enough interest.


Anonymous said...

Huh. This is quite interesting... thanks for doing this with such in-depth detail!

Anonymous said...

This is, indeed, very interesting. One thing that has obviously changed, too, is how PCS are scored by the judges. Nowadays, they clearly make use of the whole 1-10 scale whereas until the Olympic season, 8 was pretty much the highest number given out.

Anonymous said...

Could you score Joubert's 2006 Cup of Russia LP? (three quads, you know) I wonder if that would greatly benefit from the new rules or if the difference turns out to be less than one thinks.

Tony said...

PCS might be more of a range now (and I definitely agree with that), but I think we are tending to see it be used too much like the second mark was in 6.0. For example, when a high-level skater has an excellent performance, sure we might see high 7's to mid 8's. But if the same skater has an off-day or a mediocre performance, we might see the PCS drop down to mid 6's or so. I actually have an interview coming where I ask this very question and how it's possible for a skater to have skating skills or transitions fluctuate so much (according to judges).

I will look into Joubert's program!

Anonymous said...

I have roughly calculated Joubert's LP and it scores a little less now than it did then. Not even 3 Quads seem to make a difference. The judges were also not very GOE happy back then. He didn't lose a lot of points on those. Clean programmes, even with high point elements, will probably not change very much. To really see a diference we have to score a programme with a lot of mistakes on jumps. Therein lies the difference to nowadays, sloppy jumping is not penialised as much. I'll see if I can find a suitably dismal skate to analyse :D

Tony said...

To the last Anonymous- I was going to post the same thing (as far as the only huge differences coming in the way error-filled programs are deducted then vs. now).

What about something like Joubert 2005 Worlds LP? It sticks with the first year of IJS, and he had a huge downfall from the short program.

Let me know if you think of anything else that was early-on and suitable!